Spirituality East and West
Recently, Fr. Igor Labatsevich raised an important issue. In the arbitrary transposition of the Belarusian his words can be summarized as:
Looks so that the present dialogue between the Christian East and West will not lead to unity, because the object of dialogue is not the real reason for separation. One can go hunt in the history of who was right at the beginning - Pope Leo or Patriarch Kerulary, but not in this case. Moreover, not even in the filioque and the primacy of the Pope in the case - all dogmatic questions can be resolved. What can not be reconciled - is spirituality. It is impossible to reconcile, for example, Palamas and Loyola. It is impossible to reconcile Ephraim the Syrian and Lesser Teresa. As well as in the case of Uniates - it is impossible to reconcile the liturgical tradition of the East with Ignatyevskoye spirituality. Such hybrids generate monsters.
I'm actually not close feedback St. Ignatius Brianchaninov of Catholic saints. But objectively difference, reaching to the incompatibility of spiritual experience is still there. How else to explain the rejection, or a very cautious attitude by the Catholic monks practicing the oriental way of spirituality.
For example, the Benedictine monk Gabriel (Bunge) in an interview said literally the following items:
However, I must admit that in the Middle Ages to the West were mystical, especially women, who are alien to me and are not available. I belong to a different school. I do not have, so to speak, those organs that would allow me to understand the affective, exalted mysticism. For me the fundamental rights of every spiritual life - moderation, lack of exaltation, as last - the ground for demonic charms. That is what we see today in charismatic. Must be very careful, be very wise to have a greater simplicity and purity, not to be mistaken, do not fall into the mistake which has Evagrius calls imitation, imitation of the spiritual, mystical states. This is today называют самовнушенными состояниями, то есть воображаемыми мистическими (духовными) состояниями.
У Феофана Затворника, который, кстати говоря, очень популярен in the West, was a very keen understanding of western mysticism. He once exclaimed: "Oh, those West who can not distinguish between mental and spiritual!"
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When a newcomer comes to me, I give him the basic texts - sayings of the Desert Fathers, the Philokalia, etc. When he reads, he can read that wants. First, we need to impart taste, and when his taste is refined, he will feel in any other product, whether it is true.
If you start reading with the female mystique of the XIII century, it forever spoil your spiritual taste. If the taste you will be healthy, you and it will be able to read, and from there you take something good and useful.
And about. Vsevolod Roshko in correspondence with Fr. Alexander Menem wrote:
As part of the Catholic dushepoleznoe reading for us not edifying, but rather disgusting and therefore tempting. In the "Fioretti" *, which in general are so dear to us, see Chapter 44, that the degree of spiritual perfection - depending on the degree of suffering that the righteous is experiencing, reflecting on crucifixion. Then it was to think that way, who opened St.. Francis, for us to open. Here a large danger for the Russian who is among the Catholics: those ceremonies, the thoughts that feed on Catholics themselves are not bad, but alien to us. Unprepared soul falls into despair, in anguish and then into indifference.
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difference between spiritual paths in a little church feasible. Uniatism there is only self-deception.
On the other hand heard that Tomas Shpidlik, RI (Tomáš Špidlík, SJ) in one of his books (Ignácz Loyoly a spiritualita Východu) shows that Ignatievskaya spiritually close Orthodox tradition, and they complement each other. Sorry, no translation of the book, even in English, it would be interesting to read ...
PS In my opinion the most serious anti-Catholic material is being distributed by the Catholics. Here are today seen a specimen of the new "spirituality." Lydie "prayed for the experience, which became known as the baptism of the Holy Spirit! And so it is God's answer to "Veni creator spiritus"! Yes, of course, I understand that I antiharizmat and that it is not All KC. But still feel a shock ...
Thursday, July 16, 2009
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Wednesday, July 8, 2009
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Polotsk slaughter, or as Peter I abolished the union
But the official explanation. Quoted by N. Ustryalov, History of the reign Peter the Great, Volume IV., Part II, App. II. Letters and reports the king and his ministers, p. 337 :
«By n his decree. at. Conf. all general and every mansions declared. The reason Polotsk obesheniya (poveshaniya) one and killing some spiritual Uniate for perpetrated by their slander of his p. a-wu, which has correspondence with the enemy and the indignation of the people against the forces of his p. in., sitsevym followed properly, that whosoever dignity to act knowing detractors, these things evil be construed faith is not nn:
«While his p. in-vu from his generals on the cabin apartments in Polotsk former, rather communicated, way by the aforementioned Uniate spirit continually with the enemy and the Swedes have Sapezhintsy correspondence and opasnyya intentions against the forces of p. at. what they pleased with the arguments through their letters and perenyatyya presteregatelstva of benevolent have, but also in its explicit Kazan (and especially the uniqueness of them, former citizen is, u. in., a monk and otstupivy faith) has always led the nation. book. Litovskago aroused against his troops u. at. and the secret of their pobieniyu eating, though zelo ponositelnyya words clearly on the highest personages as his u. at. and since in his. Polskago August. Notwithstanding his p. at. she despised those of their anger and smashing her generosity, no contrary it has not commanded inflict. But the last one, when it happened in the past-woo go to church and wanting to see their ceremony, I went with several members of the aristocracy the court of his then remembered zlochestivye of not only his in-in with proper honor to receive, but above all, with all bezchestiem, kotorago b of not only such a monarch, but just b, honor, dignity, to demolish them is impossible: for when thou wast his p. at. wanting to see their church rites, would enter into oltar of the church, then began bezchinnymi discharge the same words in it-woo said that it is not worthy of him, for Thou enemy of faith, customs join. Hedgehog n. at. Notwithstanding, according to his blagoutrobiyu, demolished, and nothing otveschaya, went out, and having come to some more so that other jewelry image, asking them: "Whose way?" But these zlochestivtsy abusive otveschali that this image of the martyr their Jehoshaphat kotorago de your co-religionists heretics and apostates, and persecutors, as you are killed. For which the vile blasphemy (vozyarivsya), he commanded his p. at. with him then He got lyudem the add ye scornful men found guilty and traitors take and cause to arrest to conviction, izshed himself away from these bogomerzkih. However, discharge the same, seeing our malolyudstvo; Sim began his p. at. Protivity and people screaming for help, so that more different to them from their chants at the monastery with arms inspector, although their recapture, and that suprotivlenii some of its p. at. people injured, for which discharge the same, were wroth, began themselves so the villains are not sparing a hack, so that four of them against their will u. at. mortally wounded and died, redeem himself worthy of condemnation of the death penalty bezchestnoy. Later the same yakoego y. in the islands former subject and a traitor and an apostate faith and, even angrier, disturber people, for they announced above, the incrimination explicitly so his crimes, sentenced to death and another to model explicitly, Thou wicked, obeshen. This is the true proclamation of tacos the case, hedgehog everyone to the news is yes, that detractors of the injury to his u. at. high equity and priyatstvennyh in speech-acts of the Commonwealth, could not be inactivated rozglasiti. Hedgehog in the statement by my own hand and seal and signed in a clear print issue commanded. Done in Vilnius.
Together with the symmetry announcement is stored in Moskovs. Main Archives: «Statement, circulated from Rome to all the dioceses, the murder of monks from the ranks of St.. Basil, what perpetrate The king on July 11. (Translated from Grecheskago translation perelozhennago with Italiyanskago).
«The king, going to march to the aid of Augustus, had asked the blessing of their bishops. Jaworski and others not otherwise agreed to ask his blessing from God, both on its promise to eliminate union in Poland. He has long disagreed, and finally, by conviction, gave his word and signed with all the nobles to eliminate the union. In Vitepske ordered to chop up all the icons blazhennago Josaphat. Then came in Polotsk, to burn his relics. Two weeks passed quietly. But on July 11 at the end of the evening came to the monastery, inhabited by the image of St. Rusak. Basil went to oltar and seeing icon of Jehoshaphat asked Booty Theophanes: "Whose way?" "Blazhennago Jehoshaphat," replied the monk. "And what does the ax in its head?" "Sign guns, which slaughter. " "And who is set to call him a saint?" "Quoting the bishop of Rome." "So you Uniates?" "Uniate". The king struck him with his stick on the head, then gave such a slap in the face, the monk fell. King, lure Angliyskago dog ordered him to crush, and the sword ripped it in half, then drugago sosudohranitelya Josaphat. And left them dead before oltarem Bl. Jehoshaphat became a big oltar, scattered on the floor of St. gifts. Pop Zagloshsky Constantine began to collect them. The king cut him ears, and that bringeth out of town ordered to hang. The rope broke, pop down and 1 / 4 hours on his knees, vozdevshi hands. The king ordered the bodies of all three martyrs burned. Then, return to the monastery, waving his sword, killed the priests Clement Ianova, Michael, grind, Gabriel. All the other fled. There was one priest James Kyushkovsky, Pet Ellinskago school, teacher St. Theology: that tormented the whole night and hung up. All the servants of the monastery beaten. Blagorodnyya wife, seeing their dead bodies, crying: The king ordered to cut their breasts. Church ransacked and sealed. In another convent nuns expelled. Metropolitan facing the gallows. He now runs and hides in the woods. His Holiness the Pope had received from his ambassador in Poland, that the King of the same faces and the Jesuits. "
611 . The modern list without buckles and no signification of time, with litters later hand: "July 1705." other similar list in Polish. Both in Moskovs. Home. arhive.-In the original version Gistorii Sveyskoy War, it was said: "1703 90 June were in Polotsk stone" Uniate church. Five Uniates beaten for what our generals were called "heretics." This Peter crossed the place.
On June 30, 1705, emerging from a nocturnal orgy at dawn, he visited the monastery of the Ruthenian Basilian Fathers in Polotsk, planted himself in front of the statue of the blessed Jehoshaphat, who was represented with an ax driven into his skull, and demanded in a thick voice: "Who put this holy man in such a sad state?" "It was the schismatics," replied Father Kozikovsky, the superior of the order. On hearing the word "schismatics" applied to Orthodox soldiers by a servant of the Pope, the Czar flew into a rage. He ran his sword through Father Kozikovsky and killed him; officers of his suite struck down three other monks, mortally wounding two of them, and slashed the breasts of some pious women who protested the carnage. The same evening Alexis Makarov, the Czar's secretary, wrote in His Majesty's Journal : "Entered the Uniat church of Polotsk and killed five Uniats for having called our generals heretics." The affair made a scandal that reached as far as Rome. But Peter was perfectly indifferent to the fact that far away a few Catholic priests were getting all worked up over nothing.
But the official explanation. Quoted by N. Ustryalov, History of the reign Peter the Great, Volume IV., Part II, App. II. Letters and reports the king and his ministers, p. 337 :
«By n his decree. at. Conf. all general and every mansions declared. The reason Polotsk obesheniya (poveshaniya) one and killing some spiritual Uniate for perpetrated by their slander of his p. a-wu, which has correspondence with the enemy and the indignation of the people against the forces of his p. in., sitsevym followed properly, that whosoever dignity to act knowing detractors, these things evil be construed faith is not nn:
«While his p. in-vu from his generals on the cabin apartments in Polotsk former, rather communicated, way by the aforementioned Uniate spirit continually with the enemy and the Swedes have Sapezhintsy correspondence and opasnyya intentions against the forces of p. at. what they pleased with the arguments through their letters and perenyatyya presteregatelstva of benevolent have, but also in its explicit Kazan (and especially the uniqueness of them, former citizen is, u. in., a monk and otstupivy faith) has always led the nation. book. Litovskago aroused against his troops u. at. and the secret of their pobieniyu eating, though zelo ponositelnyya words clearly on the highest personages as his u. at. and since in his. Polskago August. Notwithstanding his p. at. she despised those of their anger and smashing her generosity, no contrary it has not commanded inflict. But the last one, when it happened in the past-woo go to church and wanting to see their ceremony, I went with several members of the aristocracy the court of his then remembered zlochestivye of not only his in-in with proper honor to receive, but above all, with all bezchestiem, kotorago b of not only such a monarch, but just b, honor, dignity, to demolish them is impossible: for when thou wast his p. at. wanting to see their church rites, would enter into oltar of the church, then began bezchinnymi discharge the same words in it-woo said that it is not worthy of him, for Thou enemy of faith, customs join. Hedgehog n. at. Notwithstanding, according to his blagoutrobiyu, demolished, and nothing otveschaya, went out, and having come to some more so that other jewelry image, asking them: "Whose way?" But these zlochestivtsy abusive otveschali that this image of the martyr their Jehoshaphat kotorago de your co-religionists heretics and apostates, and persecutors, as you are killed. For which the vile blasphemy (vozyarivsya), he commanded his p. at. with him then He got lyudem the add ye scornful men found guilty and traitors take and cause to arrest to conviction, izshed himself away from these bogomerzkih. However, discharge the same, seeing our malolyudstvo; Sim began his p. at. Protivity and people screaming for help, so that more different to them from their chants at the monastery with arms inspector, although their recapture, and that suprotivlenii some of its p. at. people injured, for which discharge the same, were wroth, began themselves so the villains are not sparing a hack, so that four of them against their will u. at. mortally wounded and died, redeem himself worthy of condemnation of the death penalty bezchestnoy. Later the same yakoego y. in the islands former subject and a traitor and an apostate faith and, even angrier, disturber people, for they announced above, the incrimination explicitly so his crimes, sentenced to death and another to model explicitly, Thou wicked, obeshen. This is the true proclamation of tacos the case, hedgehog everyone to the news is yes, that detractors of the injury to his u. at. high equity and priyatstvennyh in speech-acts of the Commonwealth, could not be inactivated rozglasiti. Hedgehog in the statement by my own hand and seal and signed in a clear print issue commanded. Done in Vilnius.
Together with the symmetry announcement is stored in Moskovs. Main Archives: «Statement, circulated from Rome to all the dioceses, the murder of monks from the ranks of St.. Basil, what perpetrate The king on July 11. (Translated from Grecheskago translation perelozhennago with Italiyanskago).
«The king, going to march to the aid of Augustus, had asked the blessing of their bishops. Jaworski and others not otherwise agreed to ask his blessing from God, both on its promise to eliminate union in Poland. He has long disagreed, and finally, by conviction, gave his word and signed with all the nobles to eliminate the union. In Vitepske ordered to chop up all the icons blazhennago Josaphat. Then came in Polotsk, to burn his relics. Two weeks passed quietly. But on July 11 at the end of the evening came to the monastery, inhabited by the image of St. Rusak. Basil went to oltar and seeing icon of Jehoshaphat asked Booty Theophanes: "Whose way?" "Blazhennago Jehoshaphat," replied the monk. "And what does the ax in its head?" "Sign guns, which slaughter. " "And who is set to call him a saint?" "Quoting the bishop of Rome." "So you Uniates?" "Uniate". The king struck him with his stick on the head, then gave such a slap in the face, the monk fell. King, lure Angliyskago dog ordered him to crush, and the sword ripped it in half, then drugago sosudohranitelya Josaphat. And left them dead before oltarem Bl. Jehoshaphat became a big oltar, scattered on the floor of St. gifts. Pop Zagloshsky Constantine began to collect them. The king cut him ears, and that bringeth out of town ordered to hang. The rope broke, pop down and 1 / 4 hours on his knees, vozdevshi hands. The king ordered the bodies of all three martyrs burned. Then, return to the monastery, waving his sword, killed the priests Clement Ianova, Michael, grind, Gabriel. All the other fled. There was one priest James Kyushkovsky, Pet Ellinskago school, teacher St. Theology: that tormented the whole night and hung up. All the servants of the monastery beaten. Blagorodnyya wife, seeing their dead bodies, crying: The king ordered to cut their breasts. Church ransacked and sealed. In another convent nuns expelled. Metropolitan facing the gallows. He now runs and hides in the woods. His Holiness the Pope had received from his ambassador in Poland, that the King of the same faces and the Jesuits. "
611 . The modern list without buckles and no signification of time, with litters later hand: "July 1705." other similar list in Polish. Both in Moskovs. Home. arhive.-In the original version Gistorii Sveyskoy War, it was said: "1703 90 June were in Polotsk stone" Uniate church. Five Uniates beaten for what our generals were called "heretics." This Peter crossed the place.
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